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	<title>Comments on: Manly Men Only Deploy Oracle with Fibre Channel - Part VI. Introducing Oracle11g Direct NFS!</title>
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		<title>By: kevinclosson</title>
		<link>http://kevinclosson.wordpress.com/2007/07/11/manly-men-only-deploy-oracle-with-fibre-channel-part-vi-introducing-oracle11g-direct-nfs/#comment-24746</link>
		<dc:creator>kevinclosson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Glen,

 When it comes to NAS, yes, 11g is the best so far. However, 10g on NAS is a good match as well--just not as good. It always goes like that, right? Oracle9i requires a lot of patches for NAS so that is a bit more work and honestly, if you have a 9i database running, just keep it where it is as long as it works. 

 What I don't recommend is running old Linux distros for Oracle over NFS. Stay with the 2.6 Kernels.

 And like the front page of my blog states, these are MY opinions, not Oracle's so please folks, don't drum up a list of Metalink notes showing Oracle over NFS tips with RHAS 2.1 with Oracle9i and stuff like that. All technology information is time relevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Glen,</p>
<p> When it comes to NAS, yes, 11g is the best so far. However, 10g on NAS is a good match as well&#8211;just not as good. It always goes like that, right? Oracle9i requires a lot of patches for NAS so that is a bit more work and honestly, if you have a 9i database running, just keep it where it is as long as it works. </p>
<p> What I don&#8217;t recommend is running old Linux distros for Oracle over NFS. Stay with the 2.6 Kernels.</p>
<p> And like the front page of my blog states, these are MY opinions, not Oracle&#8217;s so please folks, don&#8217;t drum up a list of Metalink notes showing Oracle over NFS tips with RHAS 2.1 with Oracle9i and stuff like that. All technology information is time relevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
		<link>http://kevinclosson.wordpress.com/2007/07/11/manly-men-only-deploy-oracle-with-fibre-channel-part-vi-introducing-oracle11g-direct-nfs/#comment-24742</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does that mean you don't recommend a NAS unless running 11g?  Where does 10gR2 fit into the NAS picture?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does that mean you don&#8217;t recommend a NAS unless running 11g?  Where does 10gR2 fit into the NAS picture?</p>
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		<title>By: Automatic Databases Automatically Detect Storage Capabilities, Don&#8217;t They? &#171; Kevin Closson&#8217;s Oracle Blog: Platform, Storage &#38; Clustering Topics Related to Oracle Databases</title>
		<link>http://kevinclosson.wordpress.com/2007/07/11/manly-men-only-deploy-oracle-with-fibre-channel-part-vi-introducing-oracle11g-direct-nfs/#comment-24734</link>
		<dc:creator>Automatic Databases Automatically Detect Storage Capabilities, Don&#8217;t They? &#171; Kevin Closson&#8217;s Oracle Blog: Platform, Storage &#38; Clustering Topics Related to Oracle Databases</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] architectures and not all of these are accessed via traditional I/O system calls. Consider Direct NFS for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Yet Another Excellent RAC Install Guide &#171; Kevin Closson&#8217;s Oracle Blog: Platform, Storage &#38; Clustering Topics Related to Oracle Databases</title>
		<link>http://kevinclosson.wordpress.com/2007/07/11/manly-men-only-deploy-oracle-with-fibre-channel-part-vi-introducing-oracle11g-direct-nfs/#comment-22397</link>
		<dc:creator>Yet Another Excellent RAC Install Guide &#171; Kevin Closson&#8217;s Oracle Blog: Platform, Storage &#38; Clustering Topics Related to Oracle Databases</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The answer is, yes, I have a lot of DNFS experience as I hinted to with my blog post entitled Manly Men Only Deploy Oracle With Fibre Channel Part VI. Introducing Oracle11g Direct NFS. If I haven&#8217;t plugged the &#8220;Manly Man&#8221; series lately I am doing so again now. I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The answer is, yes, I have a lot of DNFS experience as I hinted to with my blog post entitled Manly Men Only Deploy Oracle With Fibre Channel Part VI. Introducing Oracle11g Direct NFS. If I haven&#8217;t plugged the &#8220;Manly Man&#8221; series lately I am doing so again now. I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ITC Test Agg &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NFS and Stats Collection in Oracle 11g</title>
		<link>http://kevinclosson.wordpress.com/2007/07/11/manly-men-only-deploy-oracle-with-fibre-channel-part-vi-introducing-oracle11g-direct-nfs/#comment-19191</link>
		<dc:creator>ITC Test Agg &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NFS and Stats Collection in Oracle 11g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kevin just posted whitepaper/press release links and made some comments about Direct NFS. Oracle 10g introduced ASM - streamlining hardware access by effectively allowing [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Kevin just posted whitepaper/press release links and made some comments about Direct NFS. Oracle 10g introduced ASM - streamlining hardware access by effectively allowing [...]</p>
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		<title>By: NFS and Stats Collection in Oracle 11g : Ardent Performance Computing</title>
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		<dc:creator>NFS and Stats Collection in Oracle 11g : Ardent Performance Computing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kevin just posted whitepaper/press release links and made some comments about Direct NFS. Oracle 10g introduced ASM - streamlining hardware access by effectively allowing [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Kevin just posted whitepaper/press release links and made some comments about Direct NFS. Oracle 10g introduced ASM - streamlining hardware access by effectively allowing [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,

What type of savings are we looking at in comparison to doing storage on a FC SAN?  Also, what type of replication capabilities are available in the event I want to copy data from one NAS device to another at a DR site (non-oracle and Oracle related without having to use Data Guard).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>What type of savings are we looking at in comparison to doing storage on a FC SAN?  Also, what type of replication capabilities are available in the event I want to copy data from one NAS device to another at a DR site (non-oracle and Oracle related without having to use Data Guard).</p>
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		<title>By: kevinclosson</title>
		<link>http://kevinclosson.wordpress.com/2007/07/11/manly-men-only-deploy-oracle-with-fibre-channel-part-vi-introducing-oracle11g-direct-nfs/#comment-19165</link>
		<dc:creator>kevinclosson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard,

  Two words: Storage Grid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<p>  Two words: Storage Grid.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very cool!  Now all they need to do is update their download links so that people can actually check it out... 

I am actually a little disappointed in the way that everything is heading from a grid standpoint, though.  What would be very cool is a tighter integration between RAC concepts and ASM auto-balancing, to the point that Oracle would support a true shared-nothing system.  In a lot of ways, it seems like they're very close.

When we can get to the point that I can deploy some nice machines with a fast chunk of directly-attached disk (as well as the option to use network-attached disk), and just tell ASM which volumes to use and have it handle data-sharing between machines (ideally with a tie-in to the DB itself, so that frequently read data that wasn't updated often would be replicated on all the nodes (space permitting), whereas frequently updated data would only be in two places, et cetera)... that will be a wonderful day.  And scaling will simply be plugging in more disk, more servers, or both.

In theory, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very cool!  Now all they need to do is update their download links so that people can actually check it out&#8230; </p>
<p>I am actually a little disappointed in the way that everything is heading from a grid standpoint, though.  What would be very cool is a tighter integration between RAC concepts and ASM auto-balancing, to the point that Oracle would support a true shared-nothing system.  In a lot of ways, it seems like they&#8217;re very close.</p>
<p>When we can get to the point that I can deploy some nice machines with a fast chunk of directly-attached disk (as well as the option to use network-attached disk), and just tell ASM which volumes to use and have it handle data-sharing between machines (ideally with a tie-in to the DB itself, so that frequently read data that wasn&#8217;t updated often would be replicated on all the nodes (space permitting), whereas frequently updated data would only be in two places, et cetera)&#8230; that will be a wonderful day.  And scaling will simply be plugging in more disk, more servers, or both.</p>
<p>In theory, of course.</p>
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